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Wedding Cake: the beginning

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Wedding Cake: the beginning

Can I show you what’s going on in my kitchen these days?

So far it’s just a bunch of lists (lots of lists) and empty cake pans.  Somehow… by Saturday it’ll all be a pretty pretty wedding cake.

Wedding Cake: the beginning

I don’t make wedding cakes very often.

They stress me out.

They mean stacking cake on top of other cake and then driving in a car.  Seriously scary.

I have nightmares about the cake for an entire week leading up to the wedding.  Nightmares like… oops I forgot to make the cake!  Nightmares like… oops I forgot to wear pants to this wedding.   It’s just what happens.

What helps the nightmares go away?  Wilton.  They have answers.

Wedding Cake: the beginning

The best part of this wedding cake situation?  I get to go to the wedding and see my friends Zach and Nicole say important things to each other.  Then there’s wine.  Then there’s dinner.  Then there’s dancing.  Then…. then!!? Cake.  I get to make a cake and eat it too.

Oh!  And since I’m in wedding cake mode… we’re all in wedding cake mode.  Everyday from now until Saturday this place is going to be all wedding cake, all the time.  Prepare.

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  2. Aadams1

    wedding cake is a nice one. every one have a different idea for ordering our wedding cake. cake design is important for cake makers. the makers are use different ideas to create a cake. it’s not a easy one.

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  3. Lindsey (aka modchik)

    um… ok where have you been all my life? how did I NOT know about your fantabulous blog… totally stumbled upon this and I am fixated … who cares that I am supposed to be digging out bank statements from 2007 I want to read more about baking gunk and cake sketching (ps – you need to make your writing into a ‘joy the baker’ font – I would BUY it fo shizzle!

    Happy to have found nirvana on the web! you are all sorts of awesome~

    Linz

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  4. jayayceeblog

    The one and only time I made and delivered a wedding cake, I was a nervous wreck about the driving part, too. We lived in an area with funky roads and lots of pot holes and I know what it does to a cake when you hit one. I made big signs for the windows of my Jeep that said, “Please be patient – Wedding Cake delivery in progress!” I stayed in the slow lane and let people go around me and no one really seemed to mind much. How wonderful that you’re making the wedding cake for your friends. Have a lovely time at the wedding!

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  5. Seanna Lea

    I was like this every time I made a wedding cake for friends. I don’t do it very much now, but this little part of me misses it. Instead, I try to make birthday cake for most of the birthdays, but especially my own.

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  6. Erin

    How fun! I cannot even IMAGINE making a wedding cake, but I’m sure it will be a great time! And if nothing else… it’s cake. You can never go wrong with that…

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  8. Alison

    Hey Joy!
    I’m in the process of making a wedding cake and totally feel you. I am a professional baker in Boston but this is my first time making a wedding cake. Do you have any helpful advice?

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  11. Sarah at Candiquik

    It will turn out fine!! No worries, before you know, it will be over and everyone will be stuffing their face with it, saying “wow – who made this!?”
    Cannot wait to see the end result. Good luck on the road …. I would be white knuckled and cr…my pants hoping to god nothing happens. Positive thoughts, will keep checking for the latest. :)

    Miss …http://blog.candiquik.com

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  13. Jess

    I can’t wait to see the finished product. I know it’ll be just lovely. And I also love Wilton. They’ll be saving my butt when I begin the enormous task of preparing wedding cupcakes for two weddings within one week of each other in December. Wow.

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  15. katie

    Ohhh so exciting and nerve racking! I’m making a wedding cake in September….she may still opt for cupcakes..which would be WAY less stressful but I’m ready for the challenge!

    Can’t wait to see the cake!

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  17. Lauren

    I work for a busy wedding venue and I have wedding cake several times a week. (No wonder my pants never fit)Most of the cakes all taste the same almond extract and sugared up crisco or even worse fondant. I am sure you will blow these out of the water. Good luck in you tedious endeavour. I have three weddings this weekend so the cake never stops.

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  18. DLC

    Wow, you are giving the couple an amazing gift. I’ve not done wedding cakes, but I have done multi-tiered cakes for large gatherings (100+ guests) & have learned the following.

    Yes, use parchment circles. I use butter & either flour or cocoa (depending upon the cake) to ensure release.

    Any layer 12 in or larger should employ Wilton’s metal core (a little cup) in the center. so the layer evenly bakes.

    Those fabric cake strips that you soak & wrap around the cake pan really DO insulate it so you have a more level finished product. (You will have LESS to trim).

    Dental floss makes a v. clean cut for splitting layers. Plastic flexible cutting boards help lift the split layer halves in one piece. (Notch the side so you correctly realign the layer).

    I use paper candy sticks (instead of straws) to support each tier. They’re cheap, stronger than straws, easy to line up, measure & cut (serrated knife). If you cut an “x” in each cardboard round’s center, it makes it easier to hammer the multi-tier centered dowel at the site).

    While I refrigerate the tiers in my home before transport, I select my components presuming I will NOT have access to refrigeration at the site. Your cake’s “place of honor” might well be by a window or outdoors; your host’s “cool place” is probably not the same as your’s. This also means, no custard filling, no whipped cream frosting, etc.

    I frost with a crumb coat, refrigerate, then apply a finish coat.

    I assemble the frosted tiers at the site. I take the rounds & cake pans to my local packing store, they sell me cheap boxes cut to the dimensions I need. I’ve used damp paper towels to prevent sliding, I’m impressed with the idea of using rubber shelf liner.

    Yes, you need a “site kit” with paper towels, extra frosting, offset spatula & dual spatulas for lifting & placing the tiers. I use a premeasured, pre-cut center dowel to vertically align the cake.

    Frosting, transporting, constructing a “big” cake takes longer than you expect. Fresh flowers (ensure they are not poisonous) cover a multitude of sins.

    Good Luck! I’m eager to watch your progress and see your finished product.

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    • Marissa

      wow DLC, that’s very helpful information for everybody, thanks for sharing!

      awesome blog Joy, we will surely follow your progress. I’m sure the cake will be a hit ;-)

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  20. Katherine Deumling

    Such great timing. . I’m making my first wedding cake next week for a wedding on the 27th. I’ve tested four kinds of cake and several kinds of filling. The buttercream I have down though. Stressful and exciting at once. Good luck and can’t wait for the stories/photos.

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  22. Nikki

    you’re so brave, i can’t bring myself to do a wedding cake. and i loooove wilton, we have the wilton tent sale going on here right now–i got out only spending $135, but the woman in front of me–$2K!!! Unreal the deals they have, though…good luck with the cake!

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  26. Lori

    Thumbs up on the dowels… I’ve had one too many nightmares with straws, learned the hard way. Make sure you cut them precisely even so that each cake is level.. otherwise it’ll give you fits during assembly.

    I also box each cake up separately for travel… use the rubber grippy shelf liner stuff, a square under each cake board inside the box, sheets of it under the cake boxes during travel. That stuff ROCKS cake deliveries.

    Level your cakes before frosting them. If you’re using a filling other than buttercream, pipe a dam around the edges at least a half inch in from the edge of the cake… the weight of the cake will push it to the edge and you’ll avoid an unattractive side bulge when it settles (wish this worked for my torso).

    One more thing… use a pan release for your cakes, Wilton makes one but it’s expensive so I make my own… equal parts solid shortening/veg oil/flour… whip in mixer for five minutes and store in container… brush on pans, line with parchment circles, brush on parchment. This will save you major headaches the larger the layers get.

    Bring extra icing (or fondant and tools, if you’re using it), knives, paper towels and a big spatula (I use the big stainless one meant for grilling)… one with some heft to balance your cake on and evenly slide it onto the tier underneath. It would be good to try this slip/release at least once before you have to do it on the real deal… it’s kind of like flipping a pizza off a peel… you need to use just the right pressure and angle to avoid disaster.

    Worst case scenario, you can hide almost anything with buttercream and/or flowers. Oh, don’t make eye contact with the photographer until after you’re done assembling. I’ve yet to meet one that isn’t overly chatty/distracting/infuriating when I’m struggling to set up a cake. ;>)

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  27. Amber Hancock

    I feel your pain and I’m sorry! Next week I am doing a 4 tier wedding cake for my grandparents 50th anniversary – no big deal, right!?!?!

    I’m looking forward to your words of wisdom.

    Good luck!

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  28. Gemma

    I’ve done it once and I was terrified. The fact that I had to carry 3 tiers all boxed up on the train from London to Edinburgh probably didn’t help with the stress levels!

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  30. Laura Emily

    So, no pressure or anything, but once you’ve nailed that wedding cake, you should totally enter this competition:

    http://threadcakes.com/

    Threadless t-shirt designs, in cake form. Some of the winners from last year are beyond amazing!

    Good luck with the wedding cake. I’m sure it will go amazingly. Careful with your choice of frosting if it’s going to be warm!

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  34. Vicki B

    Have you seen the clear plastic wedding cake carrier with a rod that goes down the center? It’s amazing and now I can’t find the web site. The demo is on youtube.

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  38. Lana

    You must get this a lot but your handwriting is so very pretty!

    I’d hire you for wedding calligraphy in a hot-second.

    Good luck with the cake, I know it’ll be tasty AND beautiful.

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  41. Kate

    There is something truly magical and special about wedding cake. I think it is all the sugar and all the love that is in the room. Eat some of that wedding cake and make a wish – all your dreams will come true!

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  43. Mary @ Butter+Cream

    Yes! Love this! I’m thinking of (gasp) making my own wedding cake. It would be my only DIY project and we’d be staying at the site where we’re getting hitched, so transport wouldn’t be an issue. The major issue right now is convincing my mom that I’m not completely insane :-). xoxo good luck with the cake, would love to see the recipes!

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  44. Stacey

    I have those nightmares all the time. I do wedding cakes for people all the time. Even have one coming up next weekend. And I have night terrors about dropping it as I’m setting it up at the reception. Or it melting. Or somebody sticking their finger in it. Everything runs thru my head and I can’t breathe until the cake is delivered and I can walk away. I apologize if this adds any extra stress. I just really feel your pain.

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  49. Melissa

    Whatever you do – do NOT assemble the cake and then drive to the site. Assemble it on site and bring a cake emergency kit with you (extra frosting, offset spatula(s), extras of any decorations you have added, etc.) Good luck!

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  51. Rita

    OK, so I’m in L-O-V-E with those cake pans. Each pan is so super tall. I’d love to know what kind they are. Those look like you would only have to bake one cake of each size instead of two thin cakes of each size and then have to frost and stack. These pans are going on my must have list!

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  52. LaChelle @ SugarDuchess

    Ooo, Joy, you’re a brave soul. I can’t wait to see your finished product! I’ve done two wedding cakes in my life. The first turned out beautifully, and the second… I was 9 months pregnant and it was for my brother’s wedding, so I had to be a part of the wedding party AND squeeze in as much time as possible in the kitchen. And stay off my feet so I wouldn’t go into labor before the reception. And this was two days after we hosted Thanksgiving at our house. Yeah. Bad combo. Fun memories :)

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  53. Tiffany

    i made a two tier baby shower cake that i had to deliver a couple of years ago. for me, that’s just setting the perfect scene for me to have a stroke. i didn’t…but barely.

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  54. Jessica

    You’ll be fine!

    Rules to live by from a former cake decorator (never had a wedding cake not make it there perfectly):

    If its 3 tiers or lower, assemble beforehand! Use plastic dowels in each tier with weight on it and drive a long somewhat thin wooden skewer in the top of the finished cake all the way down for transport and remove when there.

    If more than 3 tiers, assemble as much as possible (e.g.- 2 bottom tiers together, two top tiers for a 4 tier) that way you’re not spending eons at the site eyeballing if the tiers are on straight and have as many nerve wracking moments placing tiers on each other (especially if its not covered in fondant!)

    DO bring touch up supplies and itll be a breeze. Im sure you knew lots of this anyways. Good luck!

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  55. Eliza Jane

    The first real “I am gonna make a cake” cake I ever made was a wedding cake, for my mom’s wedding!! You are right–so stressful! But such accomplishment! I can’t wait to here and see more!

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  56. Jessica

    I’ve voluntarily become the dessert maker in my family, so whenever there’s a holiday, I usually bring 2-3 things. Anyway, someone in my family was getting married and casually asked me if I’d make the cake.

    WHAT.

    I’d made 3 layer cakes, but never anything tiered! They said they’d pay for all of the ingredients and such and that I could make whatever kind of cake I wanted. Free reign!

    Anyway, I just decided to go simple (ok, my lack of decorating skills decided that for me) and tried to model it after your double chocolate wedding cake because I LOVE the look of it. I ended up making a chocolate stout cake with ganache and it actually tasted AND looked great!

    But yeah…transporting it was the most stressful thing ever. I sat in the back of my parents’ SUV with it and said, “DAAAAD!” whenever he stopped too soon. XD

    Sorry for such a long comment, but I’m really looking forward to hearing more about your cake, if you couldn’t tell. :)

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  57. Mary

    I just made a wedding cake for a wedding last weekend, and it gave me nightmares too! It was a strawberry cream cake, meaning it could only be frosted the day of the wedding. Due to space limitations it had to be assembled and then driven over. Only 1 side got damaged! Then I spent the entire dinner watching it to make sure the whipped cream didn’t melt off or the cake collapse. But, all was fine, and will be for you too!

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  59. Mari

    What Janet said…with special attention to #1, having done 4 wedding gigs, including 2 tiered wedding cakes, I couldn’t agree more. Looking forward to the pix, you’ll do brilliantly, I’m sure!

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  60. Nads' Bakery

    I can’t wait to see what it’ll look like! I’m sure it will be LOVELY and even more special to the bride and groom to have their cake made by someone that loves them.

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  61. Janet

    What a good friend you are to make a wedding cake for your friends!

    I’ve made many cakes for friends’ weddings and I have a few tips, learned the hard way:
    1. Do NOT put the cake together beforehand! Assemble the cake at the site. Put each layer on cardboard circles the same size as the layer, and put straws in the lower layer. Cut the straws just long enough to hold the cardboard a smidge above the surface of the frosting.
    2. Transport the cake layers in a cool car (run the air conditioning ahead of time).
    3. Spread a damp terrycloth towel on the surface that you put the cake layers on in the car. The layers will not budge, even when you go around steep turns!
    4. Bring extra icing to fix smudges and dings onsite.
    5. Use a great frosting like Rose Levy Berenbaum’s Mouselline Buttercream, that pipes like a dream and will not melt. I once had my frosting literally slump off the cake at the reception, it was so hot and humid! What a nightmare…

    Nothing beats a homemade cake! The love you bring to it will overcome any imperfections and everyone will appreciate your incredible gift!

    Can’t wait to see it unfold!

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      • Jennifer McLean

        Hi Joy,
        I decorated and transported designer wedding cakes for 7 years when I owned my own wedding cake business. I had a spectacular baker who did that part but I did the rest. It seems to me you’ll have the baking well under control as you rock in that department. I could help with the other stuff though. I have to disagree with the above lady (respectfully).

        1) dowel with wooden dowels, you can buy them at a craft store (same diameter as drinking straws, they just guarantee not failing because of weight) Dowel ALL layers that support cake, ie. the 14″ and the 10″, just not the 6 “.
        2) you can purchase cakeboards at a craft or wedding store, which are better than cardboard because the the cakeboard is covered with a moisture proof covering, usually silver or gold. THey’re cheap too. You purchase them in the same size as your cake rounds are going to be, ie. 6,10,14” cakes.
        3) are you icing the cake or covering in fondant? If you know anything about fondanting it would make the cake last a lot longer in heat and it would allow you to safely stack your cake at home before transport.
        (I’ve never just iced a cake, so I can’t speak to whether one can use the following transport with it.)
        4)You can actually stack before transportation. You just buy a thicker dowel that is tall enough to go through all layers, then pound it through the center. (it goes through the cardboard perfectly, just use a hammer or mallet, goes through like butter. Pound it right into the drum board you have the cake on, then nothing is moving that cake off the board. :o)
        5) Buy those mats that go under rugs so they don’t slip, you can usually purchase them in a grocery store. Put one 5 inch square between the cardboard box that boxes the cake and the drumboard the cake sits on. Then put a square UNDER the cardboard box, between the carpet of your car and the box with the cake in it.

        **if you’re assembling at the venue, box each cake using antislip mats for each, one inside the box for the cake to sit on, then one for each box that goes in the car so they don’t slip on the carpet. Antislip mats actually work great for anything in the car you don’t want to move, lol.

        You can see one of my cakes on my blog http://www.justaddwatersilly.com, just browse down a few posts, I did one for a Nurses reunion.

        If you have any questions, please feel free to email me, I am gladly at your service, Joy. :o)
        Good luck!!
        ~Jenn

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  62. Jen-

    You’ll do wonderfully. How fortunate Nicole and Zach are to have YOU do this for them. Awesomeness…truly.

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  64. Jill Silverman Hough

    I can totally relate, Joy! I’ve never made a wedding cake, but I made a tiered cake for a friend’s 40th birthday and one to donate to a fundraiser, and your description of stacking a cake on top of a cake and then driving it in a car – it sent shivers of recognition down my spine!

    Besides the glorious Wilton, the other thing I found really helpful were the women to work at my local all-things-kitchen supply store. Full of great advice. So my advice to anyone attempting the feat – ask, ask, ask! This kind of cake-making is a cult, and if you find other cult members, they’re thrilled to offer their expertise!

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  66. colleen @ sweetswallows

    All wedding cake, all week? THANK YOU! I’m making my friend’s wedding cake in August, and as my first wedding cake, I’m already starting to enter ‘freak-out mode.’ I’m totally looking forward to your wedding cake thoughts!

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  67. bird

    all wedding cake all the time- i’m strapped in and ready to go. i love coming here- you’re like my baking kitchen life coach.

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    • Rachel

      Good luck Joy! Just don’t spend any time looking at Cake Wrecks for a while, you don’t want to give those nightmares anymore fuel! I’m sure it’ll be fantastic and I can’t wait to see it.

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  69. karenmarie

    hey joy,
    i’m in the kitchen making cake layers for a wedding saturday, also! i hope you post a lot this week–i’m freaking out a bit right now, and i’d enjoy seeing your progress as i’m making mine.
    cheers!

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  71. Nancy

    I LOVE wedding cake!! Sometimes I wish I knew someone who was getting married, just so I could have a piece of wedding cake! LOL!

    Your cake will be gorgeous and taste divine! I can’t wait to see all the steps! The bride and groom will love it…how could they not with you making it!

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  72. JennEJenn

    I understand the panicky state … that is why I don’t typically do cakes for the public. However, I know the cake you will make for Zach and Nicole will be B-E-A-utiful! Can’t wait to see photos!

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  73. Avril @ http://bakingandcreatingwithavril.blogspot.com

    I feel your pain….the sleepless nights with nightmares when asleep and the transporting of the cake…..I so get it. BUT no matter what you will make the most beautiful (and delicious) cake I am sure – it will be an amazing accomplishment when it is all said and done for you. Thank you for documenting and sharing this adventure with all of us in blog land! Courage!!! :-)

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  78. Amy DeKok

    Joy..Want to hear one of the very saddest things.. in terms on Wedding cakes go..not a world peace thing.. but in my life VERY sad!! My hubby and I had 2 weddings last saturday.. and I got NO cake.. not one bit of buttercream..so what’s the point of that! I love.. LOVE white cake and frosting.. )+:
    BUT I shall get over it. Slowly..

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  79. Gretch

    Joy, this is amazing timing! As we speak I am planning on making a ginormous sheet cake for my friend’s bridal shower and then two weeks later I’m making the wedding cake for my boyfriend’s sister! Thank god that wedding is in their backyard so the cake can be baked there and will never have to get in a car!

    Good luck! It will be a delicious triumph!

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  80. AliciasDelicias

    NICE!!!! I love making wedding cakes. That is my happy zone! I know the stress is driving it there, but just know…it can be fixed!! Thats what I tell myself on every delivery. Have fun!! :-D

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  81. Evan B

    I’m making my friends wedding cake in July! Added twist- I live in Texas and I have to travel to GEORGIA! So exciting though.. can’t wait to see what you create :)

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  82. Sarah @ Daily Nibbles

    Hi Joy! I can’t wait to see your wedding cake and hear more about the process. I just took Wilton’s tiered cake decorating class. Scary! My cakes only turned out so-so. It takes a lot of planning and products. I was buying things left and right. I do have a question. Wilton calls for shortening in their icing recipes, but I don’t like the taste (and don’t want to add the artificial flavorings). However, it does hold up better than buttercream. What icing recipe are you using?

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  84. Anne @ the doctor takes a wife

    I’m so excited to see what else you have to share about this!! I did a quick trial of a layer cake earlier this week, but driving with it seems WAAY too risky. I’m going to do a couple 9x13s since I know I can throw them in a carrier and call it good…

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  86. Julie S.

    Oooh, I can’t wait! You are now akin to all my favorite TV shows – ie, you now have an ongoing storyline! I expect to see characters develop in a deep way and twisting plotlines between now and Saturday. Yippee!

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  88. The Nerd

    Sounds good to me! Next week is officially my last wedding cake (or any cake actually) from home and I couldn’t be more thrilled! Making cakes for 40 hours a week and then coming home to make more cake is a big fat biotch. BIOTCH, I tell you!

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  92. Niki

    I commend you on your bravery!! I’ve only made a few wedding cakes and they are definitely stressful. Just remember a few things……1.) Use fat smoothie/milkshake straws (like they do on TV) instead of dowel rods to hold up your cakes (easier to cut)………2.) Don’t put your layers together until you get onsite, makes the drive so less scary……..3.) And they will think it’s perfect and beautiful because you made it for them!!

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  96. morgana

    I can’t wait to see the cake !!!!

    I’ve never made a wedding cake, just modelled some star wars figurines for a dummie and I fully understand your nervs.

    wedding cake week !!!!! Yepeeeee.

    I’m sure the cake will end OK, beautiful and delicious so please, don’t be afraid. Here we are to hear (well, to read) whatever you may need to share.

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  98. Katrina

    I have yet to make a wedding cake! I’ll sure be nervous when I make my first one!!

    I’m surprised you didn’t mention bourbon consumption at this wedding, lol.

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  100. Meg H.

    I made wedding cakes for friends (and for my own wedding) and I agree the “driving the cake” was the most stressful part. That’s why I always put it together at the location. Traveling with 3 unstacked cakes was not as stressful. If I had to take the 101 – I’d be gripping the wheel the whole way. Have fun and good luck!!

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  101. dani

    wish u lived here so u could make my wedding cake… im not even making mine and im having nightmares about it!

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  105. Beth @ 990 Square

    Joy–I know you’ll do great! I made my first wedding cake last fall, and yes, it’s scary but you can do it! Just remember, dowel rods are your friend, and find a buddy who can sit in the back seat with the cake when you transport it!

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  107. Shauna

    Congrats to Nicole and Zach and good luck to you – you will all do absolutely great! :)

    In other news, I love your handwriting. It’s the kind of handwriting that would inspire me to write letters by hand ALL THE TIME if I had handwriting like that. *sigh*

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  111. Fiona

    Ohhhh I can’t wait to see it finished!!

    I am getting married in a few months and choosing the cake was soooo much fun :)

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  113. Silvia

    That’s interesting, I’ve never seen anything like this so I’ll be really looking forward to it. There’s always something to learn and, besides, I love american wedding cakes, italian ones are mostly kind of boring (bigger cakes, that’s all).
    Keep us posted please!

    XXX

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  115. JOY

    I haven’t made a wedding cake in over a year and I won’t be doing any baking any time soon. I will be living vicariously through you; looking forward to hearing how it goes and seeing pictures!

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  116. Jocelyn

    Oooh lovely!
    You are too cute! The little groom and bride sketch on the paper are just too cute. I am sure this will be a wedding cake that they will talk about for years – and you will have more wedding cake orders because of this cake.

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  117. Ashley

    You are brave AND kind! I am getting married October 9th, and for some reason have taken on the task of making my OWN cake(s). We are featuring a small cake on every table, rather than one big cake! I’m scared! :) Would you like to come to Kansas and give us a hand!? ;) Good luck, can’t wait to see pictures!

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    • Allyson

      Hi Ashley, I live in Kansas. I’d be glad to help with your cakes! Weddings used to make me nervous too, but now I think they are really fun!

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